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| MT: more license questions. |
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May 15, 2004
| Whiterose Admin |
In the continuing quest for an equitable license from SixApart, I've replied to their letter in response to my license inquiry. I'd posted my concerns already, but I felt (and was told by Jay) that it was important to make them clear to SixApart.
So to be perfectly clear, this isn't some hypothetical bizarre abuser with 50 users, it's me with 39 and SixApart says I need to pay more and puts up a punishing license scheme to get it.
Anyway, for those that are following along at home, I've commented on the license and asked for better pricing and terms. More updates if I hear more.
This is what I sent in reply to their note.
Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it and am glad that Six Apart is responding to the concerns users are expressing with the 3.0 license terms. I'd like to add a few concerns that I don't think are addressed which I hope that the company will address and I'd like to verify that I am correct about the pricing that I would need to pay to upgrade to 3.0 without losing existing capabilities.
The former: The license terms restrictions on authors are absolutely unfriendly to group blogs. In addition to sites that I participate in such as BlogCritics.org, this affects two group blogs I run. One is a group blog for a comics mailing list. The other is a group blog for a role-playing game. These account for less than 5% of our blog use and traffic, and yet would add $100s to our licensing costs.
The statement that "[your] best explanation for the tiering is that we feel a personal user who sets up weblogs for 50 of his friends should pay more for a license than one who uses only one weblog for himself" will directly affect me and, even if one were to postulate that your feeling was valid, your implementation seems to be different than your statement. Consider that if I set up 50 weblogs for 50 friends, I will need 90 add-on license packs, the cost would be $900 in addition to the base $100 license. That's not just steep, it's an effective barrier to purchase. If what you meant was "we don't want any money from people who want to set up weblogs for 50 of their friends, so we priced that possibility out of liklihood", then OK, but more doesn't have to mean "a cool grand".
What I really think is that you should cut out this nonsense and find some price point at which an unlimited license is available, but there may be other solutions, such as a limit based on the author/weblog count, whichever is lower. Single, multi-blog sites like Blogcritics don't get boned, sites like ours would pay for more than one blog but not the great number of authors. Single authors with lots of blogs wouldn't be punished either.
Not having an unlimited license will prevent people from trying innovative ideas of how to use a blog with your tool.
It is my sincere hope that Six Apart addresses these licensing concerns and does so quickly. I am a long-timer user and have not felt the need to consider my options prior to this licensing issue. I want features from MT 3.0 (comment registration and a backend performance inprovement mostly), but not at any cost.
The latter: While I am in no way sure I can afford to upgrade, I do want to verify that I know what it would cost me to do so.
I have 39 users and 13 blogs.
So, I'm calculating
$069.95 introductory price
+ $340.00 add-on users (39-5) * $10 each
+ $080.00 add-on blogs (13-5) * $10 each
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$489.95 price
- $105.00 previous license key credit
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$384.95
Please verify that I have correctly determined the price.
To be honest, this price is too high for us to consider this upgrade. The server that we're running MT on cost us $225 on eBay. We can't afford to pay twice that to stay with MT with limits. If we have to move, our users aren't likely to switch to TypePad. We've polled them on what they want. They told us "we'll do what you suggest". Hey, they're the ones who took our advice on blogging software in the first place and whom we've been supporting since we agreed to help our friends.
So, we'd like a lower price for an unlimited license.
I hope that will be very clear on what I want. We'll see how they respond.
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| .:Posted by Michael on May 15, 2004 8:35 AM:.
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I don't think this will be much of a help, but I think you can shave off $80 off your total price. The way I understand the "Personal Edition Add-On", the purchase of an add-on gives you one author *and* one weblog (whether you want both or not). In buying 34 add-ons to cover your 39 blogs, you would also have already paid for 34 additional authors as well. There would be no need to purchase 8 more add-ons on top of that to cover your authors.
David's comment seems to be correct. Also the price is $9.95.
New Math:
I have 39 users and 13 blogs.
So, I’m calculating
$069.95 introductory price
+ $338.30 add-on users (39-5) * $9.95 each
+ $000.00 add-on blogs (13-5) * $0 each (included with authors)
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$408.25 price
- $105.00 previous license key credit
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$303.25
| .:Posted by Michael
( total) on May 15, 2004 10:02 AM:. |
Another view on the MT upgradeYou know, if SixApart had had Jay Allen make the announcement about the MT 3.0 developer edition and various changes......
Ah, good Michael! I'm glad you wrote them. Do let me know what they say because I want to know how flexible they are with groups like yours.
My guess? They'll give you a volume discount...
| .:Posted by Jay Allen
( total) on May 16, 2004 10:22 AM:. |
I'd certainly be willing to kick in $10, $20, or more to pay for license extensions that support my use of whiterose.
I know you're not the biggest fan of that kind of thing, but it seems just to me.
| .:Posted by Greg Morrow
( total) on May 17, 2004 10:01 AM:. |
Scanning my logs, my first mail to them bounced. So I got to resend it with the new math.
I also asked them if they would confirm or deny Jay's speculation regarding price changes planned for the general release.
As usual, gentle reader, stay tuned for updates as further news through yonder window breaks.
| .:Posted by Michael
( total) on May 18, 2004 1:12 AM:. |
Well, I was trying to calculate what will be the price to setup a big community site (something simmilar to About.com) but failed... at least I'm not feeling very comfortable with the price of a few thousend of dollars :(
I realy want to stay with MT, however, will evaluate (and consider to use) the new Expression Engine...
| .:Posted by MCSE
( total) on June 15, 2004 8:09 PM:. |
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